tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post5395141179110805988..comments2012-09-18T18:21:22.150-07:00Comments on Seattle Center Arena Reboot: USAToday.com : Seattle mayor still eyeing NBA's returnMr Bakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09552952081148985135noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-84250850967603955902008-10-24T16:36:00.000-07:002008-10-24T16:36:00.000-07:00that people fighting the Key Arena remodel, becau...that people fighting the Key Arena remodel, because they just do, were just told there is very little standing in the way, that includes the usual suspects.<BR/>A better case on the return on revenue must be made to the public.<BR/><BR/>About B2, they, or somebody like them will have a clear path if this fails. This market is too big, and full of money to not try.<BR/><BR/>Ownership will mean a lot, watching the construction will mean a lot. This is thevlow point for any fan. The day funding is in place I think you will see people let themselves really think about this.Mr Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552952081148985135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-24078416459818713892008-10-24T14:12:00.000-07:002008-10-24T14:12:00.000-07:00You're right, it's Nickels’ ship right now. B2 is ...You're right, it's Nickels’ ship right now. B2 is smart to wait to see if Nickels will be steering the ship for the next year or the next five. The City limits may be fair game for B2 as soon as Dec 31, 2009. I expect they’ll probably wait in the wings until then.<BR/><BR/>As for fan interest… I work on the eastside in a company of around 70. After Bennett bought the team, there were only 3 I could find that were still interested in talking about the Sonics or their plight. Now that they are gone, it seems as though I am the only one left that cares if a team will ever come back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-741988662345515862008-10-24T13:25:00.000-07:002008-10-24T13:25:00.000-07:00I realize that you're not part of SOS/SC. The poi...I realize that you're not part of SOS/SC. The point I was making was that you, SOS, and at a lesser extent KJR and the dailies are distibuting the facts, but nothing seems to be sinking in with my fellow sports fans. It's disappointing. Whenever I brought up the issues regarding the Sonics, the Key or the plausibility of having an NHL team here its usually "yeah that's great, but I aint paying for it" or "the Sonics suck" that old saw. And don't get me started on Storm fans. It was great to see Karen Bryant at Sonics events and the current ownership quietly supporting the effort but I what comes of it this time around will be seen. I follow this closely because I grew up in Seattle and even though I don't live there any longer I still would like to have a reason to come to town on occasion watch a game on a February night and hang out in Queen Anne. People like Nick Licata and a host of others don't see the value in that and that's beyond myopic. I'm sports fan living in Tacoma, working in Renton who's passion for sports started with the Sonics and Huskies---So you can probably imagine what kind of year I'm having as far as my hobby is concerned. You're putting out good info and strong facts. I'm trying to do my part and energize some folks that could consider the plausibility of having a multipurpose sports and entertainment facility in Seattle. Because quite frankly the focus on bringing the NBA back is going to turn people off, including myself (a little) since Stern is still the commishioner. But he doesn't sound like he's leaving anytime soon. It is what it is. I want to see the Center get redone and the Key re-booted. I dealt with the ECC people and they're good folks but I just don't see it going anywhere in this economy and with their insistance to build in the city limits when Mayor Nickels pulled and end around on them with when he cut his deal with Bennett and the NBA. And I don't necessarily have a problem with that. He had to protect the city's investment and the future of a potential white elephant. So I'm drinking the Kool-Aid for now. Come spring time '09 I may be singing another tune but I'm not going to quit Seattle, not yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-69384867647841710722008-10-23T13:47:00.000-07:002008-10-23T13:47:00.000-07:00you follow this much more closely than the average...you follow this much more closely than the average person (or I wwould have a lot more traffic on my little blog).<BR/><BR/>I am not part of SOS. I write stuff that SOS often agrees with, and have written much less at SonicsCentral in port to show how little they are communicating.<BR/>Tell me where SOS have communicated facts and positions that would be counter to those at the Seattle Times and KJR that could convince others to support them?<BR/><BR/>UW put out a 16 page proposal, the city had comments buried in a Seattle U story or written by the AP writer. Any comment for SOS there.<BR/>Any talking points by either of those parties?<BR/><BR/>Do not expect the general public to change their minds without changed communication that empatts new facts in a convincing way.<BR/><BR/>I have just laid that out to Brian at SonicsCentral.<BR/>Keeping everything a secret limits his power.Mr Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552952081148985135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-40758352685954614322008-10-23T12:12:00.000-07:002008-10-23T12:12:00.000-07:00I'm still amazed with the comments of people that ...I'm still amazed with the comments of people that are FOR bringing back an NBA team when I look at other blogs. Especially KJR's and the Times. SOS has been getting the word out on the issues yet people seem to continue to tune it out regardless if they're for or against the renovation. It's perplexing. It aint that complicated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-1668258854534544842008-10-21T13:43:00.000-07:002008-10-21T13:43:00.000-07:00I just noticed something. The article in USA frame...I just noticed something. The article in USA frames Kessler's statements with a qualifier as to the city having to state their case. The PI article basically cuts her statement off at "were not going to be bullied". Freaking amazing....I'm done with the PI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-87830441532977948642008-10-21T12:04:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:04:00.000-07:00That is the rub unfortunately---Selling it to Kess...That is the rub unfortunately---Selling it to Kessler. She's another Chopp disciple. This is a very feasible plan and she always seems to discredit everything out of hand. She really annoys me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-35628246368738074442008-10-21T08:54:00.000-07:002008-10-21T08:54:00.000-07:00If you can sell Kessler then I think it is a done ...If you can sell Kessler then I think it is a done deal.<BR/>You would have to get Ballmer to commit to a 20 year lease.<BR/><BR/>Make this a 20 year lease and the state gets all of its money back, and more, 90 million.<BR/><BR/>Accoding to Rossi:<BR/>The county's share of the cost would be $75 million. Much of that money would be recouped by the state:<BR/><BR/>· Over $20 million would be collected in state sales tax from the $300 million renovation of the Key Arena. <BR/><BR/>· Approximately $25 million over 10 years through sales and B&O taxes on Sonics-related operations.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://theseattlesupersonics.blogspot.com/2008/03/dino-rossi-supports-key-arena-fwd-tell.htmlMr Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552952081148985135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7180836226665074114.post-75429489853413967612008-10-21T08:20:00.000-07:002008-10-21T08:20:00.000-07:00Well it looks like they heard you over in City Hal...Well it looks like they heard you over in City Hall. How about Lynn Kessler's comments? Nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com