Sunday, March 8, 2009

I am easily offended

Somebody in the Crosscut comments section of a story Jean Godden had written said I was ignorant and a liar. I thought I should just repost my strange collection of other people's opinions here and then I can just repost a link in different places to save all that typing. Not only am I a liar, but I guess I'm lazy too.
Here:
Yes, I want to bond and build. It employs people now, and builds stuff that hangs around for a long time. but that $15 million a year is the first I have heard that it would cost that, where do you get your numbers from?

I know I'm just making it all up from what others (Nick Licata Chris Van Dyk, Dino Rossi, the Seattle City Council, that devil Mr Ceis) have said.

From SeattlePI
Last updated February 29, 2008 10:01 p.m. PT
A bid to keep NBA team in KeyArena emerges
Investors reportedly led by Griffin would help refurbish venue

City Councilman Nick Licata has supported efforts to limit tax spending on a new arena. If a plan emerges similar to what Licata has heard is in the works, he might be on board.

"I'm giving it serious consideration," Licata said. "I think that the bottom line for me is that it's a fair deal for both the city and the investors. I've never said flatly, 'No public funds.' "

In November 2006, Seattle voters overwhelmingly approved a measure restricting public subsidies for pro sports teams. Initiative 91 prohibits Seattle from contributing city tax dollars unless such investments yield a profit on par with a 30-year U.S. Treasury bond.

The suggested plan could comply with the measure, said Chris Van Dyk, who led the I-91 campaign.

"The key thing is that if it addresses the use of public funds in a positive way and allocates those public funds toward the public places and the public infrastructure," Van Dyk said. "If (new team owners) do that in a genuine and on the table (way, providing) a significant infusion of money, I don't see that I-91 is a problem."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/353269_sonicstalks01.html

Yes, you caught me, I do not have the numbers right in front of me. I guess I should get the dirty details from NBA advocate Chris Van Dyk, I may have been telling lies just to get the NBA back in Seattle. He's ignorant and filling my head with ignorance just to satisfy his basketball-jones. RATS!

Tell CVD he's a liar, I'll watch, it'll be fun.

How about that $250,000 a year in office space the Sonics were renting, nope, don't miss that.

How much B & O tax does a $400 million dollar company pay? There is another ignorant thing I'm posting, taxes, who needs that.


Oh, here is a known liar, Dino Rossi:
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Rossi says plan for KeyArena is too good to ignore

In addition to the roughly $20 million in sales tax revenue that the state could bring in from the remodel arena itself, the Rossi campaign said, the new facility "could generate $25 million over 10 years through sales and (business) taxes on Sonics-related operations."

State Department of Revenue spokesman Mike Gowrylow said it's difficult to calculate revenue estimates on the operations at KeyArena without more-specific information, but the estimate was within the range of possibilities.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/354680_rossi12.html?source=mypi

Last franchise was here for a little longer than ten years, the state makes out ok, but it is all lies, and I'm ignorant, and just making all this up.

Here are the links to the pitch Tim Ceis gave t the state task force in December on Seattle center and Key Arena, there is all kinds of stuff in there that Ceis made up that I just believed.
Here is the meeting from Dec 1
http://www.leg.wa.gov/joint/committees/lfokc/meetings.htm
and direct links:
heres' 1
http://www.leg.wa.gov/documents/joint/lfokc/2008-12-01SeattleCenter1.pdf

and here is 2
http://www.leg.wa.gov/documents/joint/lfokc/2008-12-01SeattleCenter2.pdf

KeyArena is about 380,000 sf of enclosed space, a remodel would enclose the exterior beams for restaurants and retail space, enlarging the enclosed space to 720,000 sf (I'm making that up too), and adding a second ramp down to the floor so the big shows can get on and off the floor, and on to the next city, in a more resonable amount of time. tear down and prep for the next event is wasted time and lost revenue, just ask the convention center folks.
For some strange reason I think adding restaurants and retail to the exterior of the KeyArena bowl is a good thing for the Seattle Center site, just my opinion. I also think that having people come to Seattle Center for more events, and having an anchor tenant is a good idea, but that's not my opinion, that's the Seattle City Council crazy talk during Seattle Center subcommittee meeting comments on why a break even proposition with the Seattle Storm was a good thing for Seattle, and Seattle Center. Call Jean a liar about that one, she was there. Or, does this just apply to professional womens basketball?

Parks and Seattle Center Committee January 27, 2009
Link to video: http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=2050902

When I'm not here being called a liar I update a little blog on this particular topic:
http://seattlecenterarenareboot.blogspot.com/

There, that was fun.
What some people might want t know is that when I post someplace it is almost always as "Mr. Baker". It is pretty easy to get Mr. xx as a user name,it is easy to remember too.

5 comments:

bmac said...

I know I for one am very appreciative of all the facts and information you provide as well as updates from the legislative process that we can count on you to provide us as they happen. You are a better source for updates on this Seattle Center/Key Arena issue than anyone with interest in this county. Kudos to you ...

MarkS said...

Called a liar by your good buddy Lincoln AKA Apostle on the P-I AKA Copernicus on the Seattle Times? I'd take that as a compliment.

Mr Baker said...

So, Lincoln (aka,etc) asks what is the difference between a 380,000 building and a 720,000 sf building, it does not have more seats, how would increasing the building size increase revenue?

My response, and this should explain why this person does not understand the difference between the current building and having developer Matt Griffin of the Seattle Center Investors involved, how Licata and CVD went from no in 2006 to a soft yes in 2007.
Hopefull Lincoln now has a changed understanding of the project, and this was spelled out at the bottom of a Crosscut story written by Councilwoman Jean Godden.
That is not the soon to be gone Seattle PI Sound-off.

It matters.

Anonymous said...

There MUST be separation between the UW money grab and Seattle Center. There is far too much opposition to what UW is trying to do compared to Seattle Center. The lines have been drawn.

http://washingtonstate.scout.com/2/846201.html

You have thousands upon thousands of WSU alums living in King County who will immediately be against this SB 6116 because UW's trying to get money. If this is the only shot for Seattle Center, we're doomed.

Anonymous said...

They have a point, not a good one, but a loud one.

Seattle Center should be split off to house bill 2281, the "campus" bill.

Seattle Center needs a bigger solution with a more narrow tax footprint.
seattle center = Seattle tax (hotels, etc).
Mr. Baker